Curse

phan · Jun 13, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Hello ,

No this is not a QQ thread or a whine thread .

Let's assume that Guildwars is devided in 2 parts : PvP & PvE [each 50/50]

Why would Anet let 50% just enter godmode by pressing 3 skills .

If people can't see that this isn't good for a game .. well then its time for glasses .

Guildwars is a team game ; with 8 skills on your bar and 8 players in a team .
not 3 skills for Godmode .

Reactions I don't want to see ;

Make an assasin if your jealous . I have one and i don't really like him and yes it's wrong to use a char. for one skill .
lolz noob i needz ectos ; You farm mass Globs to buy nice and mostly expensive things . Do you think you will be happy if you join Random Arenas and all other 3 players have the same as you .
Anet has given up balance . I'm still hoping they haven't
No i'm not jealous because people are getting the nice & cool items . I don't have them , don't need them and i just played some PvE for fun (I heard PvP was serz bus).I think it's an achievement if I come home ; have 2 hours of spare time and i don't really feel like doing anything , i can load up 6 heroes and try and clear FoW . These new skills just ruined that =)

DarkNecrid · Jun 13, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

It's not good for the game, but neither is Ursan, PvE skills in general, the actual skill split (for reasons like this), or a lot of other things they did.

/signed

but I'm not going to lie and tell you it's gonna happen.

It isn't.

Riceboi · Jun 13, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

Make an assassin if your jealous .
lolz noob i needz ectos
Anet has given up balance

phan · Jun 13, 2008, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riceboi

Make an assassin if your jealous .
lolz noob i needz ectos
Anet has given up balance

Wow ; your so funny .

Bryant Again · Jun 13, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

All part of the problem, and no answers why. /Sigh

luwe80 · Jun 13, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

It's not god mode. You can still die. Shock, Whirlwind, etc.
I'm sure there's a bunch of other skills and AOE spells that can get you.
How bout SS on your teammate? would that hit you while under SF?

Why do you care? Nobody is forcing you to farm UW.
Some days I want to do missions so I do them. Other days I want to farm so I do.
Mind your own business and let others play the way they want.

dustbunny · Jun 13, 2008, 06:10 PM // 18:10

All the uproar is not necessarily about shadowform in PvE. No one cared that they farm raptors with shadowform. So specifically, it's about shadowform faming in chaos plain by assassins.

This isn't unlike the uproar about prot spirit earlier. In that situation, people whined about prot spirit in PvE, but really, it was about prot spirit farming the ice wastes by monks. Did people care that 55 monks can farm minotaurs? Not really. So it wasn't really about 55 monks or prot spirit. It was more about the specific combination of monks, 55-life with prot spirit, and ice wastes that allowed people who farmed it to basically do the GW equivalent of printing their own $1000 bills.

The situation now is exactly the same. Replace the words monk with assassin, 5-life prot spirit with permanent shadowform, and ice wastes with chaos plain, and you have now.

They fixed the earlier situation by fixing the environment of the ice wastes and the labrynth instead of dinking with prot spirit. They added one exceptionally weak monster popup that had the sole purpose of killing the enchantment-reliant farmer monks. They can do the same now by simply giving the mindblades signet of disenchantment.

Damian979 · Jun 13, 2008, 06:12 PM // 18:12

First off, Im guilty of perma,perma,perma whenever it's beneficial

. Though it was still very feasable to maintain before the nerf, now hitting 123 every 28 sec is more like a reflex than a concious thought.

That being said, there are quite a few areas that perma just won't work due to frequent knockdowns, energy denial, monster skills that strip enchants or AOE that strips and/or damages at the same time.

I have to give it to anet though with their give and take mentality, they had to know by removing perma from pvp there would be a serious uproar if they didn't give a little back to compensate. Until they decide it's time for another nerf, I'll take perma over ursan anyday

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Ate of DK · Jun 13, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by luwe80

It's not god mode. You can still die. Shock, Whirlwind, etc.
How bout SS on your teammate? would that hit you while under SF?

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Please do not post if you do not know what you are talking about.

The fact that you mention "SS on a teammate" when the OP is talking about a "solo-farm build" is a painful one.

Edit: This must be the 20th topic on Shadow Form (PvE) this week.

Koricen · Jun 13, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

My god, three "nerf sf" threads today. Ever think that maybe Anet wanted farming to be easier? I don't know why they would, but I'm sure the perma SF was obvious to them when they did this. Just because you and a couple other QQ'ers want it changed won't changed it. With the PvP/PvE split they have a way to make farming easier without breaking PvP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by phan

No i'm not jealous because people are getting the nice & cool items . I don't have them , don't need them and i just played some PvE for fun (I heard PvP was serz bus).I think it's an achievement if I come home ; have 2 hours of spare time and i don't really feel like doing anything , i can load up 6 heroes and try and clear FoW . These new skills just ruined that =)

How did a buff to SF ruin your FoW clearing prospects? Do you use SF when clearing FoW with heroes? If so, how does the increased duration hurt your builds?

It might help if you gave a reasonable suggestion on how it should be nerfed and not just on why.

Thierry2 · Jun 13, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

I don't mind if they nerf this, as long as they nerf ursan as well.
I don't really care though that so many people are farming UW now. Every1 has FoW armor already anyway and everyone's character looks the same..so.. whatever.

phan · Jun 13, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koricen

My god, three "nerf sf" threads today. Ever think that maybe Anet wanted farming to be easier? I don't know why they would, but I'm sure the perma SF was obvious to them when they did this. Just because you and a couple other QQ'ers want it changed won't changed it. With the PvP/PvE split they have a way to make farming easier without breaking PvP.

How did a buff to SF ruin your FoW clearing prospects? Do you use SF when clearing FoW with heroes? If so, how does the increased duration hurt your builds?

It might help if you gave a reasonable suggestion on how it should be nerfed and not just on why.

Where is the achievement in doing it with 7 people when 1 person can

Rakim B · Jun 13, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by phan

Hello ,
No this is not a QQ thread or a whine thread .

I read that line and said, good I can continue reading....Only to realize it was one

Anet knew what they were doing when they put it in and they did it for a reason, plz stop posting new threads about this.

Div · Jun 13, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by phan

Why would Anet let 50% just enter godmode by pressing 3 skills .

Ursan takes one skill.
SY takes two skills.

Rhamia Darigaz · Jun 13, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by phan

Where is the achievement in doing it with 7 people when 1 person can

if you need to compare what you do to a farming build to consider it an achievement ur doing it wrong.

A Leprechaun · Jun 13, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

I do not know why you play or what you enjoy, but I enjoy playing warrior, buying him items and armour and capping elites.
I use my Sin to farm to earn money to buy things for my warrior, simple as. If Shadow Form was nerfed then it would be harder to earn the amount of money to buy what I want, but it would still be possible it would just take longer. If I had to spend ages and ages farming for the things I want I would, but tbh I am already bored with GW..
To be honest I don't care what you think, I love Shadow Form as it is. How does it actually affect you?

~A Leprechaun~

Shayne Hawke · Jun 13, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

If it's such a staple elite that it becomes the elite of the class in PvE or PvP, I think it's time for a nerf.

/signed

Rhamia Darigaz · Jun 13, 2008, 06:26 PM // 18:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

If it's such a staple elite that it becomes the elite of the class in PvP, I think it's time for a nerf.

/signed

fixed
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Trenixz · Jun 13, 2008, 06:26 PM // 18:26

I don't think they should nerf shadow form, they should just add enemies to the chaos planes with [Signet of Disenchantment] or something similar. Kinda like the dying nightmares.

phan · Jun 13, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

Ursan takes one skill.
SY takes two skills.

Divine ; i know they are .. but these have already been discussed . Anet saw the thread and didn't do anything about it .

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Leprechaun

I do not know why you play or what you enjoy, but I enjoy playing warrior, buying him items and armour and capping elites.
I use my Sin to farm to earn money to buy things for my warrior, simple as. If Shadow Form was nerfed then it would be harder to earn the amount of money to buy what I want, but it would still be possible it would just take longer. If I had to spend ages and ages farming for the things I want I would, but tbh I am already bored with GW..
To be honest I don't care what you think, I love Shadow Form as it is. How does it actually affect you?

~A Leprechaun~

This do not like - do no use thingie has been discussed enough ;